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This is almost certainly from the power supply. See my experience:
17 October 2003: Using my own BBC B (bought 31-12-1983), C2 exploded with a bang, a puff of smoke and a horrible stench...
The power supply works fine with this defective capacitor, at least for a short while (understandable considering what this capacitor does)...
I replaced it with another and the PS works as before. The replacement capacitor I got from a dead BBC PS, and that showed cracks all over the outer plastic casing same as the exploded one has... I hope it doesn't explode soon :)
- non-working/intermittent LED lights: Check the back of the keyboard PCB for broken tracks at the LED base. Resolder if broken. Check the keyboard connector on the keyboard, I've seen a few loose pins on one BBC causing weird LED behaviour. Resolder the joint if this is the case.
- non working keys: check the rear of the keyboard PCB, if you find a break in a track: scratch the tracks (to get to the copper) on the 2 sides on the break and solder them together. Also check the keyboard connector as with the LEDs above. If that's not it, it could be a bad contact inside the key switch: spray contact cleaner onto the shaft of the non-working switch, and press it a few times to let the contact cleaner get into the switch.
- Non starting beeb that gives a continuous tone and has the cursor visible in the top left hand corner of the screen: Often, this is caused by corrosion on the keyboard connectors (the one on the main PCB and on the keyboard PCB). Spray contact cleaner on the pins and into the cable ends. For more possible causes see below.
- Startup is irregular, can take a long time, and when started, pressing BREAK doesn't work most of the time: This can be caused by corrosion on the pins/socket of the NE555 timer IC in case it is socketed (see top-left corner of the PCB). Remove the IC, apply contact cleaner to the pins and socket, let it dry for an hour or so, and insert the IC. Other causes can be faulty capacitors in the reset circuit (see circuit diagram).
Non booting beeb 1:
>Also, what happens between the machine issuing the first and second >beeps? The first beeeeeeeee noise is random data on the slow data bus (hanging off the system 6522) being interpreted and amplified by the 76489 sound chip. It stops once the OS has configured the system VIA. If the OS cannot start, or configure the hardware, the noise never stops - this is what you are hearing. The second beep is the control-break type reset beep (VDU 7). >Something else I forgot to mention in my last post in that I get slightly >different pitched sounds each time I switch it on. Pressing the break key also >causes different pitches and causes different LEDs to turn on. Sometimes the >tape relay clicks on as well. In order: Take out the user 6522 (this is below the 6502 and provides the user and printer ports) Take out the system 6522 (between the 6502 and the 8271) - the machine won't boot properly without it, but you should see a cursor on the screen if everything else is working. Take out the 8271 and the DFS ROM. Make sure you have an OS ROM in the leftmost ROM socket - this should be marked PB04, I think - the OS and BASIC ROMS are PB04 and PB05. I can't remember for sure which is which at the moment (too warm here today.) Check IC14, 74LS245 - to the right of the 6502. If this is socketed, try replacing it. It's a common failure point. Do not use a substitute - e.g. 74HC245, 74ALS245.
Non booting beeb 2:
No tone at all, or a continuous tone? Usually a hardware failure on a Beeb results in the OS being able to initialise, and you will get a continuous "beeeeee...." where the sound is the same pitch as the first part of the normal raucous startup "beeee-BEEP!" Do you have -5v on the purple wire from the PSU? (Not needed for the machine to boot, but it's used by the sound circuitry, so you will get no sound if it's not connected or working.) It's also used by the serial port. >I am an electronics engineer and I have lots of test equipment, but I >don't 'do' computers, so I'm a bit in the dark in trying to diagnose the >fault. I have the Beeb circuit diagram. I suppose I should look at the >power-up reset first, around IC16. If the machine is totally dead, (no sound at all) and you are sure the power supplies are present and correct, first thing to check is the 16MHz crystal (easier if you have an oscilloscope.) ISTR it's somewhere near the 6502. This signal is divided down by the Video ULA to provide 8MHz, 4MHz, 2MHz and 1MHz signals around the board and is essential for the machine to work. It seems to fail more readily if the machine has been stored in a damp location. Normally a reset line fault (there are both RESET and notRESET, where notRESET is logically inverted) will result in a continuous tone on power up. The machine will happily boot with the following ICs missing: user 6522 VIA (ic3, below the 6502), 6850 ACIA (serial), 68B54 ADLC (econet), all user ROMS including basic (but the system ROM in the LHS most ROM socket, marked PB04, must be present, of course), and the 8271/1770 FDC. It will sort-of boot but will not be usable with the system 6522 VIA missing (to the left of the 6502) - you'll get a screen with a flashing cursor but will not be able to type anything. So a valid diagnostic technique with a faulty Beeb is to remove all the above chips, see if the machine boots (if not, the fault is severe and needs professional attention) - if it does, the chips can be replaced one at a time, powering up in between until the faulty component is isolated. Finally, if ic14 (74LS245, to the right of the 6502) is in a socket, this is a high-failure component and replacement is worth a try. but the replacement must be a 74LS245 and not an ALS245, HC245 or other alternative.
Dead BBC PSU:
WRT BBC PSUs - the most common fault on those is capacitor C9. If you can find someone able and prepared to replace it for you, this fixes 70% of dead BBC PSUs. Another common problem is that the mains cable breaks at the strain relief grommet at the back of the PSU, usually due to people winding the cable around the machine to store it. Don't work on PSUs if you have no prior experience - they can have a very nasty bite even if left unplugged for a long time.
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Dead BBC PSU:
From - Mon Feb 4 02:23:54 2002 Path: news.euronet.nl!news.euro.net!image.surnet.ru!surnet.ru!newsfeed.rt.ru!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!126.96.36.199!skynet.be!skynet.be!bnewspeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsifeed01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Mr S C Winsor <stuartwinsor YYY argonet.co.uk> Reply-To: Mr S C Winsor <stuartwinsor YYY argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: PSU for BBC B Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.hardware Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 23:19:46 BST Message-ID: <na.0635194b03.a80820stuartwinsor YYY argonet.co.uk> References: <a3jd2l$nfp$1 YYY newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> <1012746550.18199.0 YYY eos.uk.clara.net> X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.85 for RISC OS Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Distribution: world Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: userac73.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: 1012779629 news.dial.pipex.com 8513 188.8.131.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse YYY uk.uu.net Xref: news.euronet.nl comp.sys.acorn.hardware:97543 In article <1012746550.18199.0 YYY eos.uk.clara.net>, "Ian Stocks" <ian YYY frogstar.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Are there any common faults on the BBC power supply, are they easy to > fix? Assuming the later switch mode (I believe there were some very early ones with linear PSUs). If I remember correctly, there's an electrolytic capacitor which is close to a semiconductor on a heat sink which runs quite warm. This accelerates the "drying out" and loss of capacity. However, by now, replace all electrolytics. They are the commonest cause of lack of output from PSUs. Stuart. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ stuartwinsor YYY argonet.co.uk 101 uses for a Pentium: No1 - A slow cooker. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu Feb 7 01:09:47 2002 Path: news.euronet.nl!news7.euro.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!xtra.co.nz!kendallj From: Kendall Julian <kendallj YYY xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: PSU for BBC B Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.hardware Message-ID: <4b049cc78dkendallj YYY xtra.co.nz> References: <a3jd2l$nfp$1 YYY newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> <1012746550.18199.0 YYY eos.uk.clara.net> <na.0635194b03.a80820stuartwinsor YYY argonet.co.uk> <a3lm57$u85$1 YYY news6.svr.pol.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14i (RISC-OS/3.70) Organization: TFCC Lines: 23 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:48:27 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 184.108.40.206 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin YYY xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1012967305 220.127.116.11 (Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:48:25 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:48:25 NZDT Xref: news.euronet.nl comp.sys.acorn.hardware:97646 > It's some years ago that it failed. At the time I thought maybe dry joints > around the power components. This fixed the problem for a while. But then > went faulty again. Again I did the joints and it was ok for a short while. > It's a couple of years since I looked at it. Do you know what the power > components are? I'd guess mosfets but can't remember. Is there a circuit > diagram somewhere? > AndyW Dug out my service notes (cough cough from the dust) - the only two types of fault I came across were failure of C9 (220uf 25v 105C) on the primary side, and C18 (100uF 25v 105C) on the secondary side. As always with switch-mode power supplies, make sure the high voltage filter caps (C6,C8) are discharged first. Kendall -- Kendall Julian Napier, NEW ZEALAND email: kendallj YYY xtra.co.nz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Thu Feb 7 01:10:31 2002 Path: news.euronet.nl!news2.euro.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!lore.csc.com!nntp.abs.net!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: news YYY sprow.co.uk (Sprow) Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.hardware Subject: Re: PSU for BBC B Date: 4 Feb 2002 05:04:25 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 39 Message-ID: <2ec0aa9a.0202040504.76e7e3aa YYY posting.google.com> References: <a3jd2l$nfp$1 YYY newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> <1012746550.18199.0 YYY eos.uk.clara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.104.22.168 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012827865 24710 127.0.0.1 (4 Feb 2002 13:04:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse YYY google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Feb 2002 13:04:25 GMT Xref: news.euronet.nl comp.sys.acorn.hardware:97560 "Ian Stocks" <ian YYY frogstar.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<1012746550.18199.0 YYY eos.uk.clara.net>... > "AndyW" <andy YYY spamtrap.homeeng.swinternet.co.uk> wrote in message > news:a3jd2l$nfp$1 YYY newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk... > > I'm looking for a PSU for a BBC B (though I guess BBC A PSU is the > same?) > > Or maybe a complete BBC B > > > > Hopefully someone is about to throw one out? > > Prefer to collect. I'm in NW London. > > I could do with a couple of BBC power supplies if anyone has a few to > sell/donate (obviously after Andy has got one first). I currently have > mine hooked up to an old AT power supply, makes putting the lid back > on difficult. > > Are there any common faults on the BBC power supply, are they easy to > fix? Of all the PSUs I've ever repaired I attribute 90% of them to a dead chopping transistor (the vertically mounted one in TO3 case).A BU208A is a suitable replacement. The way to tell if it's this is to unplug all the power leads from the motherboard and switch on - you should see 5v as usual.With the power leads reconnected you'll struggle to get 2v out of it. The other 10% are: - dried out startup cap.It's the tiny electrolytic on its own just near loads of hot components in the middle of the board.If the PSU squeaks a little when turned on then sighs when turned off it's prolly that - shorted bulk decoupler on the 12v output.This was attributed to a knackered disk drive,not really the PSUs fault - catastrophic failure: things splitting their sides and oozing goo and bits of molten metal everywhere.That's when I give up! Sprow. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Fri Feb 8 20:55:03 2002 Path: news.euronet.nl!news.euro.net!news7.euro.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!22.214.171.124!not-for-mail From: "Philip Pemberton" <philpem YYY bigfoot.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.hardware Subject: Re: PSU for BBC B Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:42:52 -0000 Lines: 43 Message-ID: <a3tef4$1aadti$1 YYY ID-122086.news.dfncis.de> References: <a3jd2l$nfp$1 YYY newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> <1012746550.18199.0 YYY eos.uk.clara.net> <a3mfft$lh9$1 YYY helle.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 126.96.36.199 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1013071141 44382130 188.8.131.52 (16 ) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news.euronet.nl comp.sys.acorn.hardware:97703 "Dom Wright" <DomWright YYY btinternet.com> wrote in message news:a3mfft$lh9$1 YYY helle.btinternet.com... > "Ian Stocks" <ian YYY frogstar.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > news:1012746550.18199.0 YYY eos.uk.clara.net... > > > > "AndyW" <andy YYY spamtrap.homeeng.swinternet.co.uk> wrote in message > > news:a3jd2l$nfp$1 YYY newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > I'm looking for a PSU for a BBC B (though I guess BBC A PSU is the > > same?) > > > Or maybe a complete BBC B > > > > > > Hopefully someone is about to throw one out? > > > Prefer to collect. I'm in NW London. > > > > I could do with a couple of BBC power supplies if anyone has a few to > > sell/donate (obviously after Andy has got one first). I currently have > > mine hooked up to an old AT power supply, makes putting the lid back > > on difficult. > > > > Are there any common faults on the BBC power supply, are they easy to > > fix? > > > > I have had a couple fail on C2 (on the Mains end of the board). One of > these took little diagnosis - case cracked, sparks and smoke coming out, > large Neon arrow saying "The Fault Is HERE!";-) > > I replaced them with similar ones from Maplin (Part No. SC93B: 0.1uF, > 275Vac) for 29p. You would have done better ordering some 105deg. C (high temperature), "Low ESR" capacitors from www.farnell.com/uk and fitting them instead. 105deg caps are generally regarded as the best to use in switchmode power supplies. I've got enough equipment down here to recap a power supply and I wouldn't mind having a go sooner or later. I'm not taking apart my M128 again, though! Later. -- Phil. philpem YYY bigfoot.com http://www.philpem.btinternet.co.uk/
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